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19/5/200513:24NUMERICA GROUP - accountancy integrator that doesn't add up?50
21/1/200310:11Numrica - Anybody got any news or views?1

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29/9/2016
09:20
Numerica Grp Daily Update: Numerica Grp is listed in the Unknown sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker NUG. The last closing price for Numerica Grp was -.
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22/6/2004
23:01
charlie: Having closed my short some months ago I have no current position in this stock. However I would like to draw attention to the dire results issued today which fully vindicate the bear stance adopted by myself 18 months ago at the top of this thread (when the Numerica share price was 103p). My current shorts are Patientline, Trafficmaster, Manganese Bronze & Millfield.
31/8/2003
15:14
charlie: This story will not go away...... http://www.thisismoney.com/20030831/nm67157.html Internal inquiry chief's link with broker 31 August 2003, Mail on Sunday The director appointed by Collins Stewart to head an internal inquiry into allegations of share-price ramping and insider dealing was also on the board of one of the companies at the centre of the claims. John Spencer, senior non-executive at Collins Stewart, was appointed by chairman Keith Hamill to oversee an investigation into the claims by sacked analyst James Middleweek. But Spencer was also a nonexecutive at AIM-listed* finance company Numerica - a firm Middleweek says he was stopped from researching because he was 'too-even handed'. In his claim for wrongful dismissal-filed last month, Middleweek-said that pressure from share salesmen at Collins Stewart had 'infringed his analytical independence and his ability to give his clients a full, true and fair view of Numerica'. Middleweek was sacked from Collins Stewart on July 9 for allegedly trying to blackmail his bosses. The day after his sacking the Collins Stewart board set up an internal committee headed by Spencer. Asked whether it was appropriate that Spencer should have been responsible for the internal inquiry, Hamill commented: 'I have complete confidence in John's integrity.'
28/2/2003
23:20
charlie: I also hear the corporate finance department is very busy at Numerica Well thanks for that, I have no idea, but it was not the impression I got from the statement dated 5 Dec 2002. Busy companies with cash in the bank tend to make poor shorts ? I thought from the interims that they had £382k or 0.7p per share, which seems neglible compared to a share price of 90p? Numerica is also attracting a lot of excellent people from the Big 4 firms and with clients worried about concentration of audit work amongst those few firms Numerica will benefit. ? But Numerica doesn't do any audit work. Isn't it all passed on to HLB AV Audit? Numerica is profitable and is likely to make £3.5m this year according to the house broker Collins Stewart. The number I've got from CS is £3.8m, forecast made in July 2002. But after the H1 results I can't see how they'll get anywhere near this. EPS in H1 was 1.6p before goodwill and exceptionals, and they gave what looked like a profit warning in the outlook statement. Say 3p for the full year if everything goes according to plan. Which with the share price at 90p gives a rating of 30x, seems very high? The institutional following in this stock is very high quality. Well one's reaction to that is a matter of opinion, but my reaction was given above, as follows: "In terms of the distribution of ownership well there are at least 7 institutional holders so the stock is popular which I think is bearish, and also helpfully means that the stock is easy to borrow. (This may seem a bit cute, but the last stock about which I said it was The Health Clinic, where a total result was achieved ie the company has now gone bust.)" Best of luck to all
31/1/2003
14:10
phbatbjco: How about this angle Tenon - Turnover £100m est Mkt Cap £22m share price 14p Numerica Turnover £50m est Mkt Cap £50m share price 99p Draw your own conclusions! The std method of Accountancy practice valuations is a multiple of fees - ................normally. In these situations however one has to ask who out there would pay anything like 1 times fees? Perhaps the old partners of the businesses they sold to Tenon and Numerica might. However, this does have a certain ring about it. Does anyone remember Ins Cos and Banks buying into Estate Agents?
30/1/2003
14:29
charlie: Have been running this thread for months on pbb where I am talking to myself, maybe there will be some interest over here. cheers, charlie charlie - 30 Nov'02 - 22:31 edit Numerica describes itself as an "accountancy integrator," that is a quoted company formed to acquire smaller accountancy partnerships. It floated at 100p in October 2001. Numerica is in a similar business to the other AIM quoted accountancy consolidators Tenon (TNO) and Vantis (VTS). The profit warning from Tenon earlier this week is therefore of interest to Numerica watchers, particularly since the problems seem to relate to industry conditions generally rather than Tenon specifically. Key extracts: "....economic conditions have proved difficult for certain parts of the professional services sector. No improvement has been seen in the second half particularly in transactional businesses, and in line with many other businesses in our sector, we continue to see a significantly reduced level of activity in certain of our higher margin areas of business." " It is obviously disappointing that, in line with many others in our sector, economic conditions are adversely impacting certain parts of our business." The relative share price performance since flotation is as follows: Tenon float price 120p. Price now 28.5p ( - 76%) Numerica float price 100p. Price now 103p (+3%) which suggests that the current Numerica share price leaves considerable scope for disappointment. charlie - 30 Nov'02 - 22:35 - 1 of 7 edit Turning to forecasts for Numerica, well the latest I can find is that on 24 June 2002 the Numis forecast was as follows March 2003 eps 4.7p March 2004 eps 5.7p which implies a multiple of 21x falling to 18x, pretty ambitious? But also see the Tenon profit warning. DOESN'T ADD UP? charlie - 30 Nov'02 - 22:44 - 2 of 7 edit And here is the first paragraph of an article from the ACCA website earlier in the year, describing the poor share price performance of quoted "accountancy consolidators" in Australia. Can't see why the UK experience should be any better.. Barry J Cooper looks at what is happening to the consolidator groups in Australia by Barry J Cooper 01 Jul 2002 Australia is often referred to as "Down Under" and it is probably a good description of where the consolidator groups in Australia have been heading lately. There are about 30 consolidator groups in Australia at present and they have all had varied experiences. Of the three biggest, which are all listed public companies, the Investor Group has done best. Nevertheless, it is struggling to maintain its share price, which fell 26% in the past year. Stockford listed at $1.00 and peaked at $2.40, but by early June 2002, was trading at 17 cents. Worst hit was Harts, which lost $93m after a $63 million write down of goodwill and $10.5m in bad debts. The Australian Securities and Investment Commission has since appointed a liquidator. Some consolidators, such as Acquest, imploded before they even got to the listing stage. So, after a fanfare of publicity and promises of great opportunities ahead during 2000, tough times more recently have generally seen consolidators struggling to remain viable Full article is here: http://www.acca.co.uk/publications/accountingandbusiness/548739 charlie - 03 Dec'02 - 09:12 - 3 of 7 edit In terms of the distribution of ownership well there are at least 7 institutional holders so the stock is popular which I think is bearish, and also helpfully means that the stock is easy to borrow. (This may seem a bit cute, but the last stock about which I said it was The Health Clinic, where a total result was achieved ie the company has now gone bust.) http://www.advfn.com/cmn/pbb/thread.php3?id=608508&from=39&to=102 charlie - 05 Dec'02 - 09:29 - 4 of 7 edit First-half results today Profits miniscule, eps 1.6p or -0.6p after goodwill and exceptionals. There is a profit warning in the Prospects section of the statement "The Group has continued to make substantial progress during the period. However,as I have previously indicated, the current flat state of the economy is not optimal for our business and is affecting the results of other businesses in our sector. As we make further acquisitions, the full benefits of integration and our brand will come through, which will significantly increase the profitability of the Group. We are now one year through a three year strategy and we still consider that our medium term targets are achievable. [but not, by implication, our short-term targets?] We anticipate that in the current business environment the times ahead will be challenging..... Currently -6.5p on no trades dodddy - 05 Dec'02 - 09:56 - 5 of 7 good call charlie charlie - 24 Jan'03 - 22:50 - 6 of 7 edit An update on those relative performances Tenon float price 120p. Price now 19p ( - 84%) Numerica float price 100p. Price now 99.5p (-0.5%) Don't look down Numerica it's a long long way to fall. charlie - 30 Jan'03 - 14:13 - 7 of 7 edit Tenon now 15.5p (-87% from float) Numerica still 99.5p (-0.5% from float)
30/11/2002
22:44
charlie: And here is the first paragraph of an article from the ACCA website earlier in the year, describing the poor share price performance of quoted "accountancy consolidators" in Australia. Can't see why the UK experience should be any better.. Barry J Cooper looks at what is happening to the consolidator groups in Australia by Barry J Cooper 01 Jul 2002 Australia is often referred to as "Down Under" and it is probably a good description of where the consolidator groups in Australia have been heading lately. There are about 30 consolidator groups in Australia at present and they have all had varied experiences. Of the three biggest, which are all listed public companies, the Investor Group has done best. Nevertheless, it is struggling to maintain its share price, which fell 26% in the past year. Stockford listed at $1.00 and peaked at $2.40, but by early June 2002, was trading at 17 cents. Worst hit was Harts, which lost $93m after a $63 million write down of goodwill and $10.5m in bad debts. The Australian Securities and Investment Commission has since appointed a liquidator. Some consolidators, such as Acquest, imploded before they even got to the listing stage. So, after a fanfare of publicity and promises of great opportunities ahead during 2000, tough times more recently have generally seen consolidators struggling to remain viable Full article is here: http://www.acca.co.uk/publications/accountingandbusiness/548739
30/11/2002
22:31
charlie: Numerica describes itself as an "accountancy integrator," that is a quoted company formed to acquire smaller accountancy partnerships. It floated at 100p in October 2001. Numerica is in a similar business to the other AIM quoted accountancy consolidators Tenon (TNO) and Vantis (VTS). The profit warning from Tenon earlier this week is therefore of interest to Numerica watchers, particularly since the problems seem to relate to industry conditions generally rather than Tenon specifically. Key extracts: "....economic conditions have proved difficult for certain parts of the professional services sector. No improvement has been seen in the second half particularly in transactional businesses, and in line with many other businesses in our sector, we continue to see a significantly reduced level of activity in certain of our higher margin areas of business." " It is obviously disappointing that, in line with many others in our sector, economic conditions are adversely impacting certain parts of our business." The relative share price performance since flotation is as follows: Tenon float price 120p. Price now 28.5p ( - 76%) Numerica float price 100p. Price now 103p (+3%) which suggests that the current Numerica share price leaves considerable scope for disappointment.
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