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|Minerve sorry for late reply
"Hung out by who"?
By their Governments/EU who instead of implementing policies which would benefit
the 18-24 year old's adopted one's which forced them to leave their homelands in
search of cash to feed themselves, and in many cases the older generation left behind.
I put it to my MP that instead of allowing everyone to work until they were ready to
drop we should have adopted incentives to allow people to retire earlier, so that the
kids who were ultimately to be our future still had a chance to create normal career
paths, instead of being forced into zero or 12-15 hour a week contracts, it would have
been better to allow retirees who thought they needed a bit more cash to do that sort
So, for our own youth, not only do they have very few "normal" career paths due to
job blocking, and the tendency to recruit ready made experts for everything, (usually
from poor countries who can ill afford their loss) but they also have to contend with the dual headache of mass economic migration of cheaper labour and the stigma of
a decade or more of being told they are a lazy, worthless, underclass in their own
Much is made of the opportunity for us to work in the EU, but what figures do you
have to support any meaningful numbers that do? I suspect a major barrier to working
there would be the general lack of language skills on our part and of course most
of that is down to the fact that English is the international language, and why
large numbers of the refugees/economic migrants want to make Britain home.
Yes I'm sure many students would like to go and study abroad and we have our army
of expat retirees in France/Spain etc., which I would think accounts for most of the
2m you quote?
BREXIT undoubtedly brings change, but I'm afraid that is what we have had to do in
order to knock the EU elite off their perch. IMO, they were and are wrong attempting
to force a continent of 508m citizens from 28 countries+ future members,
into this bulldozed one size fits all nightmare of a United States of Europe they
still seem determined to construct.
It would be interesting to see over the years in which the youth of Europe have
looked on in desperation in this age of austerity by how much the EU administration
budget has been trimmed and the excess fat redeployed.
Greece is massively in debt, I wonder if anyone thought of writing off a big chunk
of it in exchange for a strategically situated island on which the UN could have
set up a series of camps to accommodate all of the refugees/economic migrants
trying to enter Europe until they were properly checked, and those with skills
allowed to move on if they/we wished, with the remainder either returned or helped
in the same way those in the MEast operate until hostilities were over. IMO Europe
simply can't take all of this tidal wave of humanity trying to reach it's shores
without it eventually leading to civil unrest and is why far right parties are gaining
strength in many EU countries.
And lastly.....don't let's even go to the EU Army idea.|
|Refer to above. Brexit is more than just being about money, or indeed economy. It is also about the intangibles of culture and other matters. To see Brexit only through 'money' is to be wearing blinkers. Sorry, but simple arguments will not cut the mustard.
Anyway a Long Night ahead. And Trump may just do it. We'll see, with bated breath.
|xxxxxy26 Sep '16
"Muppets. Name calling. Bullying. Seems to be an attitude/technique of The Elite. That's so about rights and respect. Not impressed. Not nice. Surely with your intelligence you can debate better than using such unpleasantness."
I have given my arguments and only one seems to be engaging in reasonable debate. Let us watch with interest who name calls and bullies. Let us see which pack of wolves gangs up on the individual without reasoned argument or debate. Have you visited the UKIP thread lately? You'll love that one, especially if you were a Remain voter; it will no doubt impress you as to how kind, open-minded and intelligent that cohort of voters truly are.
"Name calling. Bullying. Seems to be an attitude/technique of The Elite"
Also seems to be the attitude of Leave voters, yet they don't leave it to just bulletin boards. Hate crime has rocketed since the Leave vote and not one Remain voter is guilty of those.|
"Minerve pray tell, you clearly know, how does one become a billionaire (and maintain it in a lousy economic situation) if you don't understand governance?"
Perhaps you should ask that question to Mr Ashley. But proper corporate governance he is not renowned for and apparently many investors and institutions don't touch Sports Direct because of him. I have read finance books where Sports Direct is given, with good reason, as an example of how not to run a company! I was a director of a UK listed company which eventually ended up in the small-cap index, I know what corporate governance is, and that is my opinion I have formed. My opinion just happens to coincide with others who have similar experience and a similar opinion. Of course you are open to your own opinion but I do question on what foundation you base yours.
"The only muppet here (as far as I am concerned) is you having decided to return here after some months and without so much as a 'by your leave' accuse everybody of being muppets. "
I can come and go on this thread as often or as infrequent as I like. I haven't accused everybody of being a Muppet, go back and read my comments. I refer to Exit voters as Muppets, although I accept there are a few exceptions. It is up to Exit voters to convince me otherwise and at the moment they are not very convincing in their argument.
"I'll make a suggestion - if you're invested in Lloyds (which I doubt) set up your own thread for people of a like mind."
Now, who is being the bully?|
|Far far field away I can see monty coming!...|
|Minerve pray tell, you clearly know, how does one become a billionaire (and maintain it in a lousy economic situation) if you don't understand governance?
The only muppet here (as far as I am concerned) is you having decided to return here after some months and without so much as a 'by your leave' accuse everybody of being muppets. I'll make a suggestion - if you're invested in Lloyds (which I doubt) set up your own thread for people of a like mind.|
|Think that you underestimate her!|
|Muppets. Name calling. Bullying. Seems to be an attitude/technique of The Elite. That's so about rights and respect. Not impressed. Not nice. Surely with your intelligence you can debate better than using such unpleasantness.|
|It is going to be a worrying time which ever way we voted. The conservative party are still divided on brexit. They all told a pack of lies to promote their different causes so we are left with a governing party prepared to say anything to get their own way. Boris being a prime example. IMO Teresa may and her team have no idea what they are going to do next.|
|Mike Ashley isn't competent enough to do corporate governance. End of story.|
|Perhaps the comment on this thread becoming Muppet central is spot on.|
I can't take your last comment seriously.|
|Minerve I voted remain and I think you are utterly wrong - life has moved on in the last 40 years.
The EU is a socialist experiment in control and people like Junker, Schulz, Draghi are not interested in rights be they human or worker.
You know Mike Ashley is apparently the world's nastiest person (having got rich on the backs of the poor people) - that's why he's had to take back control. Executives forced on Sports Direct by the revolving door in Piccadilly Circus were apparently far nastier than Mike Ashley ever was. Good capitalists know the value of their workers.|
|Perhaps Trump will do well tonight? Change is coming, just a question of degree or speed. Worrying about workers/peoples welfare in Europe/UK maybe less important in this changing landscape of fewer need for jobs - robotics, computers etc. Change is indeed scary, and employment being massively changed. Rights, responsibilities may be better addressed within our own sovereign state, where British people embrace this, making our own laws for own people, that cover the rights of British people.|
|Yes but I will keep trading to double the holding never go to sleep that is when you die ,have already added 15000 without spending a penny buy sell buy sell will sell again at 57 and buy back lower for the next 3 months then watch them for better news do not want to be caught napping ,|
The EU had many policies to protect the 'ordinary people' as you put it; employment rights, human rights and so on. It was in a position to regulate large business no matter how big - look at its recent request to Apple with regards to tax. The world's largest company (market cap) being held to account by the EU! Surely those points were worth fighting for if you believed in the power of the individual and taking care of 'ordinary people'? Immigration is not just been a symptom of the EU forcing its will, it has actually been a symptom of the UK government wanting it to happen. Capitalism prefers cheap labour. Of course the UK government pretend that the issue of immigration isn't something they can control and will allow the EU to take the blame. We will now see who has been swimming with no trunks on when the EU tide goes out and leaves the UK government with exposed policy.
Outside of the EU there will be little to protect employment rights. Little to protect human rights. Little to regulate corporates or financial institutions. You have replaced a predominantly socialist institution with a predominantly capitalist one. The UK government couldn't give a toss about employment rights. The city wants hedge funds to rule the roost. Who is going to get in their way now? The evil side of capitalism wants London to do its bidding, you have just voted for that to happen.
You have been taken for a ride and you don't know it.|
|I laugh at people who say we are idiots for voting OUT.
If we had voted for remain they would all be saying how clever we were.
Same people, different decision.|
I know exactly what I voted for - exit from being railroaded into a United States of
Europe without a care in the World for what the ordinary people might think about it!
Let's not forget that Cameron only gave us peasants the referendum, because he needed
to appease his right wing and counter UKIP, no doubt fully expecting to win easily.
Let's also not forget this BREXIT is also the fault of the other 27/EC, who also
probably expected Tommy Brit to toe-the-line, so probably thought they could get away
with fobbing us off during the so-called negotiations phase.
The majority of the elite, and other's who don't live in the real World, simply cannot
stand the notion that ordinary working people are not prepared to take Globalization,
corporate tax avoidance, huge BOD excesses, or being bullied into submitting to their
collective will without resistance.
Why do you suppose Corbyn has just achieved another massive victory? Ordinary People
and especially our youth, have been hammered by the financial crisis and are still
suffering. During the worst of the crisis BOD's were still paying themselves ever larger salaries, as they slashed workers jobs/pay etc.
IMO we are currently witnessing a concerted effort by the elite remoaners to use
every possible media avenue, in an attempt to push TM back from hitting the art. 50
button. Well, for those that will try to insist on a re-run of the referendum, or a
watering down of free movement etc., I would urge them to take heed of the Corbyn re-
run, and be very careful how they try to manipulate for the result THEY think we all
should have already chosen.
IMO, the worrying rise of far right/far left parties throughout Europe can only have
happened as a direct result of catastrophic failure of Government policy in this
ridiculously fractured so-called "union".
Supposedly only 34% of our youth bothered to vote and of those 25% wanted to leave.
I would argue that if those who didn't had voted, the vast majority would have gone
for leave. Why would any sane 18-24 year old without a decent job, or career prospects
want to vote for "more of the same please mister", surely they wouldn't all have been
swayed by the "cheaper mobile roaming charges" during their Ibiza trips?
I could not possibly vote for Corbyn for PM because I disagree with his defence
policies, but he will gain a massive following from our youth, and like it or not,
the youth of a Nation are it's future, if you fail them you fail us all and that IMO
is what Governments across the EU have been doing for to long.
I suspect the next offering from our politicos for us all to ponder will be a new
party to be formed from the death of "New Labour" and the Tory left. Let's hope
for all those that currently "have" the "have not's" don't gain people power and then
|But only if it's 'Minerve's version of correct."
He being super-intelligent.
|It is usually positive to see everyone profit from board discussions that can often aid decision making.
In this case there will be winners and losers because of the highly polarised positions.|
I don't accept democracy because most are not intelligent enough to make educated and informed decisions. If the morons all lived on another island and didn't affect my future and my family than I wouldn't be bitter, but I have to put up with half-witted morons like you ALL the time and you could say I am getting a little tired of it. 😴 LOL|