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|Hi brando69, Trinity mirror are up 76% because they have may web titles with nil comparatives i.e they are newly setup websites e.g Hull Daily Mail, Bristol Post, Nottingham Post etc. Below is the link:
In terms of JPR I believe that they have been focused on launching and growing inews.co.uk. Here is their statement from August 16 which is pretty good page views for 4 months in.
"The inews.co.uk website, which launched in April to complement the layout and culture of the i newspaper in print, also saw record traffic in the last week of June, breaking through the 1m page views per week barrier for the first time during this six month period, reaching 1.65m page views."
|look at the volumes behind this fall compared to the volumes behind the recent rise.|
|I must admit I have mixed feelings now.
I want it to fall so can buy back cheaper.
I want it to rise so my 50% left can make an extra profit.
I'm sanguine either way, I guess.|
|40K sell trigged another 3% off the price|
|thanks brando69 for figures.
Nice to see Scotsman and Yorkshire Post in positive territory|
So the conclusion from these stats is that JPR needs to look within and without to try and improve its online strategy:
What is the Belfast local doing that the rest of its titles are not?
What are Trinity Mirror - up 76% year on year - doing that JPR - up 5% year on year - is not?|
|I dont trade - I buy and hold.
Sell "some" when I want to lock in profits.
Buy back in "IF" falls enough.
I always have some of my original stake (normally about 50%) come what may (no stop loss at all). But I do sell on way up.
Once it reaches target I slowly off load.
Currently I'm in the 50% position. As you say late 20s was a target (I think I was reasonably honest there) but so is 50p another target. Sold to lock in and will now wait for 50p COME WHAT MAY (even if falls to 5p)... UNLESS NEWS SAYS OTHER WISE (eg news driven from now on).|
|brando69: not necessarily, when I was in Arcadia secret buyer used all sorts (iceland etc) to buy wads of shares - it took a while before we knew what was going on.|
|so annoyed with myself for not riding with my gut. sold half of my JPR at 28.15 on Wed and bought into IRR at 20 and 20.88. Perfect trade. IRR rose to 23, and I sold, as I saw JPR up to 31. Bought back my sold JPR shares, and more at 29.5 and 30.5. JPR now 26, IRR... also 26! A trade too far!|
|The volume traded here in last few days says there is NO way there have not been changes to significant holdings. RNS is well late.|
|Trying to see what could cause this rise without a news item...
In the past its been because :
a) An investor is building up a stake via nominees in order to do a hostile or secret take-over.
b) Closing shorts (a bear trap - some shorters could have lost their shirts (if you note any anger in short posters from time to time this could explain it - their pride does not let them say what happened)
c) News items just a day or so late
d) No stock at all but the few buyers just kept on coming (momentum buying)
Interesting to see if we fall hold or break back over 30 - anything can happen - I have absolutely no idea what is happening at all.|
|Please lord C calm yourself you remind me of an old editor. 8p to 30p, there is value here for those who realise fundamentally these titles will reach a low and the ones that survive this low will be more valueable than ever before. It literally is survival of the fittest no doubt some of JPRs publication will come through this.
JPR may end up a smaller but much more streamlined profitable company or it may end up in the hands of a predator, either way there clearly is realisable value in this company that you are ignoring or don't know about.|
Although you have ignored my post, no doubt thinking it silly, it was there just to point out the logical flaw in your own post. If something is pointing down now, you cannot simply draw a line using basic trigonometry to the zero point any more than I can to the infinite point.
There are so many variables along the way, eddies and secret pools, different business models and fivers down the back of sofas that all you can achieve, is like a professional weatherman, judge a few days at a time (if you are lucky) and give a guess to the long term
Your guess is that the print business is not viable and going to zero.
Others guess that the Thornton's Choc people know a few variables we do not...
I have made 100% profit on this share due to people thinking like you (if the share was not down it would not have come up) and you likewise make money out of people like me.
But don't kid yourself, your position is no more sane than mine - you just think I'm an idiot and you are clever - dont count your chickens.
Thorntons Chocolates might see something we do not.
I think they see 50p....|
|Also I think the ABC figures out today for H2 2016 tell pretty much the same story as the trading update on 3rd Feb (ex i figures).|
|That is the crutial operational question, can online growth make up for the declining print vol. Could inews launched last april (currently with nil comparatives) + the 5.9% from regional online do it...
Sadly the profits are (or were) in the printed version. I am told extracting serious money from online is proving rather difficult.|
|Here is the article for online regionals. JPR daily uniques up 5.8% which is pretty good given that they have disposed of titles.
|Lord C: I gave you a tick up. Love your optimism. I'm just as optimistic as you - I believe they are going up to infinity.|
|I know that most of you are getting excited re upward share movement but pause and reflect on latest ABC figures where JPR lead the way. For example-
Wigan down 35%
Hartlepool down 22.8%
South Shields down 22.3%
Blackpool down 16.9%
Sunderland down 15.9%
and the mighty Scotsman down 14.5%
These falls are seriously bad news for viability of the group. I stick to my opinion that these shares have no value.|
|today has been a reminder to me why overtrading is not often a good thing!|
|Extrader: I backed FlyBe - think its most likely to hit 100% ON JAN 1st (rather than any other time).. I was thinking in terms of winning the competition rather than just picking one that will go up. I was going to pick JPR , and I still think this will get to 50p - which is great... So as long as it does not fall below 11p I will hold on for the 50p (or more).. Something is going on that is for sure... No idea what, who or why? Dont care.
CONGRATULATIONS of picking a 100% - it is harder than people think.|
|feel sad - dont know why as I'm much better off than 3 days a go. Its always like this. You go out to have a cooked "mega" breakfast at lunch time and you see 10% of your money go up the swannie!|
blimy "fun money" - Can I have some?
Je regrette .->
I had some spare cash in the SIPP round about the time I put JPR as my entry in mudbath's 'shares to double in 2017' thread ("100%") at 13.375, when I realised it would be more honest to back my WAG (= 'wild-assed guess') with some real money.
The rest (a few weeks later) as they say, is history....;->
Discl.: At some point - probably soon - I'll cash in my chips for a "more serious" investment . There ! That'll probably jinx it .....|
|absurd that we've had no holdings RNS|
|blimy "fun money" - Can I have some?|