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[maxheadroom] 21/1/2003 03:00

Snippets from the Bain report...
Which paints a compelling picture of a fire service designed not for the 1990s or even the 1960s but for the period before the second world war. The guidelines on fire cover date from a 1936 committee that investigated how to deal with city firestorms caused by enemy bombing....


...the "constant crewing" requirement has as many firefighters on duty at 5am as during the evening when there are four times as many fires....


.....Making change is almost impossible, thanks to the Grey Book, the fire service's national conditions of service. Locally proposed changes can be challenged through a disputes procedure that usually means they go nowhere fast. Moving a fire engine or opening a new station to reflect population movements can take years......

...Bain sticks to the provisional finding that there is no case for a rise either on comparability grounds or for recruitment and retention. The review continues to recommend 11 per cent over two years, mostly conditional on agreement to the complete reform package. This includes in effect ending the watch system inherited from the navy, which has created a "closed culture" resistant to diversity and is the reason why most firefighters are white men.
...

...Perhaps more difficult for firefighters will be the recommended overhaul of a costly pension scheme that promotes early retirement. This is a hangover from an era when the lack of breathing apparatus led to serious ill-health.

...The union, whose reckless militancy helped highlight the archaic nature of the fire service, should encourage members to accept modernisation. If firefighters continue to hold out for even their scaled-down 16 per cent claim, new terms and conditions should be imposed without delay....


I think you're hoping to sneak in on the blindside whilst Tony the Terrible is battling Iraq?

[brainclamp] 10/1/2003 18:53

First 24HR Strike as only getting a 4% pay rise, next week.
Followed by two more afterwards. Reserves and troops now contentrated on the Gulf preparations. Took the government by surprise...

Clever timing Gilchrist. Clever timing.... I like your style... You could be a much better James Bond villan than scaramonger. But who will save your fuffy white cat?

[josh_the_dosh] 21/12/2002 16:32

Have a good time jax

[jaxaxe] 21/12/2002 15:23

..Are you wanting to wave me off - dont fret,It`s only for the Christmas holiday - dont you go making yourself poorly stuffing yourself with festive fodder...tara.
your old mate jax.(ps I shall be taking the lap top)
Hasta la vista.

[bradwell] 21/12/2002 15:13

Jaxaxe
interesting that your flying today, flight delayed!!!

[jaxaxe] 21/12/2002 14:54

..Custard pie,
Bradwells a a professional firemans groupie - and works the night shift at Argos,he`s been rushed off his feet these past few weeks with the `long haul firemans strike`and then with the Christmas rush in the warehouse.
Don`t be too hard on the lad - we should all make allowances for the feeble minded and less fortunate.
Now I really must fly.
JAX.

[custardpie] 21/12/2002 14:13

Bradwell I am not in the least interested in what job you do.Don,t flatter yourself!!!

[jaxaxe] 21/12/2002 09:49

Bradwell,
another night shift over - you must be tired.You posted at 5.45am.
I shall be calling in Argos today to see if those CD players are still on offer - you could have let me know - and saved me the trip.
And what will you be getting from Santa ... let me guess - a firemans uniform - you really are smitten arnt you.!
And now Bradders I`m going to finish my shopping and then get ready to catch a flight.Dont work too hard.......get youself a nice (wait for it.)..MINCE pie).


merry christmas - and happy mincing to you and yours.
jax.

[bradwell] 21/12/2002 05:45

Custard you have no idea what I do, so if I was you I'd keep quiet about jobs!!

Jaxaxe Why is it you have to post lies??? a simple question??

[custardpie] 20/12/2002 10:43

Bradwell any one else want to play !!! what kind of childish statement is that? It must be your pathetic attempt at trying to be cool.
GROW UP
PS I think you need to get out more and get a decent job.

[jaxaxe] 20/12/2002 08:26

Whooooops!forgot - you will more than likely be sleeping at this time after working all night - till later!
jax -

[jaxaxe] 20/12/2002 08:14

Bradwell,
You posted your thread at 3 oclock in the morning - (when everyone apart from night shift workers are sleeping) - give the staff at Argos my best wishes.
Now stop boring everyone and let us normal people get on with our festive shopping - (hope theres some cd players left in Argos - you must warn us about what shortages are expected).

[bradwell] 20/12/2002 03:31

Ok so we know that Jaxaxe only post's lies and custard pie is thick!!! anyone else want to play????????

[custardpie] 19/12/2002 11:08

As posted earlier ,Your post says it all THICKO.

[bradwell] 19/12/2002 01:47

Jaxaxe

Still no comment as to why you only post lies???

Maybe the hospital won't let you on when someone catches you out???

puts your other posts in perspective, ie: dont believe a word you write!!!

Try telling the truth it doesn't hurt honestly!!!

[bradwell] 19/12/2002 01:01

Lets see Custard and Thick!!! ring any bells anywhere???? no it probibly wouldn't with you would it????

[custardpie] 19/12/2002 00:19

prooves what !!!

[maxheadroom] 18/12/2002 12:54

Snippets from Bain.... It paints a compelling picture of a fire service designed not for the 1990s or even the 1960s but for the period before the second world war. The guidelines on fire cover date from a 1936 committee that investigated how to deal with city firestorms caused by enemy bombing....


...the "constant crewing" requirement has as many firefighters on duty at 5am as during the evening when there are four times as many fires....


.....Making change is almost impossible, thanks to the Grey Book, the fire service's national conditions of service. Locally proposed changes can be challenged through a disputes procedure that usually means they go nowhere fast. Moving a fire engine or opening a new station to reflect population movements can take years......

...Bain sticks to the provisional finding that there is no case for a rise either on comparability grounds or for recruitment and retention. The review continues to recommend 11 per cent over two years, mostly conditional on agreement to the complete reform package. This includes in effect ending the watch system inherited from the navy, which has created a "closed culture" resistant to diversity and is the reason why most firefighters are white men.
...

...Perhaps more difficult for firefighters will be the recommended overhaul of a costly pension scheme that promotes early retirement. This is a hangover from an era when the lack of breathing apparatus led to serious ill-health.

...The union, whose reckless militancy helped highlight the archaic nature of the fire service, should encourage members to accept modernisation. If firefighters continue to hold out for even their scaled-down 16 per cent claim, new terms and conditions should be imposed without delay....


Mmm. Interesting!

[maxheadroom] 18/12/2002 12:50

- excuse the quad post - though it may be worth reading four times it was really due to ADVFNs sticky server. Now deleted.