|armstrong buying more or directors topping up?
buyback would be more beneficial
nett asset update doesn't take long to add up on a computer, where is it??|
|and dee valley
not sure mp evans will go ahead after the run the malaysian currency|
|The directors, who effectively control the company, have passed this liquidation resolution to narrow the discount and repel boarders.
Upon the actual vote to liquidate, whether the directors will vote in favour is another matter, methinks.
Meanwhile the higher bid for M P Evans is a nice little earner for the fund.|
|going to be wound up in a couple of years time or so
what about Armstrong investments?
will they buy any more as discount is closing
would be nice for the nett asset value to be reported more regularly and closer to the period it is reporting
sometimes we have to wait over a month to see nett asset figure
this period was a fortnight late which is good for El Oro
why not once a fortnight and only a day or so after the date end?
surely not that difficult to calculate on a computer programme|
|mp evans and dee valley increasing nett assets here|
|winding up is pushing share price closer to net asset value.
i wonder if they will ditch the dividend this year?
more news in results i guess along with winding up so regular lumps sums to come over the next year hopefully
i never understand why they issued RNS after hours either|
|.....Be patient and they'll recover.??!!
How patient are you? 2 years on and they are lower.
The chairman is becoming increasing loony in his bizarre statements:
"The honeymoon of the emergent Conservative government has been brief in the extreme, as its doyen the Chancellor now concocts a cunning ploy to finish what Mr. Brown started, the destruction of the British pension industry: not content with reducing to laughable levels the upper limits, there are suggestions he will remove the tax-exemption altogether, thus yet again removing any incentive to save and make provision for the future.
This is aligned with his assault on middle-England's favourite past-time and source of wealth-creation, Buy-to-Let, by introducing a discriminatory rate of stamp-duty, and removing tax-relief on the cost of the mortgage. He may well accomplish a repeat of what his exorbitant stamp-duty increases have done to the higher-level housing market, where its revenue has been considerably reduced, and the market itself ground to a halt. The imposition of the Living wage, raising wages across the country to £9 by 2020 is another example of management by diktat, taking no account of regional differences in cost levels, nor more especially of the vast subterranean labour market that exists in South-East England, recruiting some of the migrants who now form 70% of London's population, and many of whom are outside the scope of any legislative controls....."|
|From tomorrow's (well they are ahead of us !) Australian press:
".....The mining sector is growing increasingly cautious about the future, with confidence in the local industry now at a five-year low, according to the latest Mining Business Outlook.
The study, conducted annually by Newport Consulting, discovered industry leaders were worried by weakening demand, softening prices and a challenging regulatory environment.
A majority of those surveyed indicated a belief the sector's future is now out of their control, a sign of troubled times ahead.
In all, 93 per cent of respondents were not confident about growth in the coming year, while 82 per cent expressed pessimism about large-scale projects being committed to in the coming 12 months.
Economist Saul Eslake suggested the next major projects for the sector would be at least three years away."
Personal view: Buying El Oro at their present discount (which I am doing) reminds me of buying bank shares 5 years ago when nobody wanted them. Be patient and they'll recover.|
|Solid director buying at 70p by Robin W-P ...... a good sign , now on a 30% discount with a prospect of NAV rises if gold price , gold shares and U$ slowly improve . I am reluctant to pay 73p and wondering who sold so much stock to RW-P at such a cheap price .|
|Always worth reading the results. From latest:
"As the suntan fades along with the memories of a sublime summer, it is both salutary and sobering to see the remorseless result that a swoon in the Gold price has had in lowering the asset value from our 2011's highs. Whilst the portfolio has fallen by 17.7% overall, the Gold Price has fallen by 25.4%, and many of our holdings in that sector, and especially our principal holding in Troy Resources, have fallen by significantly more than that.
Whilst being wise after the event is a valueless commodity, it is certainly apparent that many more profits should have been locked in after Gold reached over $1900 in September 2011, even if the consensus at the time was that $2200 or higher was the next objective. We certainly failed to anticipate the speed and extent of the decline that occurred in late March and early April, dragging the price down by nearly $500 in quick time, and decimating some explorers' prices in the true meaning of the word."|
|Love the Chairman's statement in the results:
"This soggy set of results, saturated by incessant rain in May and June, followed the failure to heed the old adage of 'Sell in May'."|
|El Oro disclosed as a £2m creditor of MF Global:
|Just to update the thread:
Admission to Trading in London | Announced - 6 June 2011
El Oro Ltd ("El Oro" or the "Company") announces it has been admitted to trading on the Stock Exchange Electronic Trading System - quotes and crosses ("SETSqx") of the London Stock Exchange. SETSqx will allow the Company's securities to be viewed by the London investment community.
The admission to trading on SETSqx does not affect the listing of all of the Company's shares on the Channel Islands Stock Exchange.
The ticker for El Oro is ELX.
El Oro is a collective investment vehicle which holds discrete portfolios which are segmented and managed along different investment styles. The UK portfolio focuses on mature sectors with higher yields and the Guernsey portfolio holds stocks selected in pursuit of growth.
El Oro was formed from the restructuring of the El Oro Mining and Exploration Company plc to allow El Oro Ltd to be subject to a tax regime that puts it on a par with other investment vehicles such as unit and investment trusts.
Robin Parish, Chairman of El Oro, commented, "I am delighted that the London investment community will now be aware of El Oro, as the Channel Islands investment community continues to be."
For further information, please contact:
El Oro Ltd
Robin Woodbine Parish, Chairman
Tel: 020 7581 2782
Dexion Capital (Guernsey) Limited
Tel: 01481 732814
Matthew Robinson (Corporate Finance)
Ben Thompson (Corporate Finance)
Tel: 020 7600 1658
|Just stumbled upon this share when looking for indirect gold exposure -I hold CYN for the same reason,and it strikes me as cheap on a discount to NAV basis.
Today's Price Data
Bid close: 550 Ask close: 600 Mid close: 575 Close date: 31-12-2010
Net asset value: 814 Date: 31-10-2010
Normal Market size: 500
|voted against for my small holding...|
|Yes, that is the essence of it. The problem is that they have bundled the whole thing together - it would be a lot easier if there was a separate resolution to de-list from AIM. If AIM listing was maintained, it would then remain accessible for UK holders to hold in nominee a/cs and trade in the same way as now and also provide that it can be held in an ISA. Can't see many people wanting to hold in an ISA on the CISX, somehow.
Wondering who holds this stock in size other than the family? Any ideas?
mw8156 - I assume you hold some - will you vote against or abstain?
|Does this scheme if effected, mean that holders will end up with just new el oro shares listed in the Channel islands?
I am against it as liquidity could be difficult.|
|When they reorganised the two traded companies exploration co & El Ora about 6 years ago into one company see first post.
THE FAMILY stated that the share price bid offer price would shorten this did not happen.
I made a nice profit when I sold, but with the large spread I would not buy the stock.
Also my view is that the ordinary shareholder was short changed when the FAMILY got hold of the valuable property once owned by Clive of India in Salop which was owned by the company.
Difficult to communicate with head office.
With regards to post on 11.1.09 the volume on 9.1.09 was higher than usual
DRAW YOU OWN CONCLUSIONS|
So now you probably have the answer:-
My initial thoughts are that this proposed delisting from AIM and listing on CISX which appears highly prejudicial to general shareholders and largely beneficial only to the Parish family who it appears are forcing this through.
I believe it would be appropriate for the company to offer a share by-back by way of open tender at a price at or close to NAV for those who would like to surrender their holdings.
The stock was illiquid enough and the spread significant since it was shifted from a full listing to AIM only a few years back - it can only be worse when it's listed on the CISX and the cost to trade will be substantial.
To claim it will be beneficial to all shareholders is ridiculous IMHO. I cannot see this being easy or cheap to hold in an ISA nor do I know the mechanism by which that could be practically achieved for most average small shareholders. Anyone who does may like to comment.
Anyone holding who has a view should be expressing it to the company post haste, I would say!
|I've held this stock for over 30 years now, so sudden movements stand out to me - anyone know why it rose 27% on Friday? Nothing on the LSE's regulatory stuff, and nothing in the papers over the weekend.|
|Hi Washbrook....I bought a few of these a month or so ago for my 'speculative' but small portfolio without really doing any research. This morning I received the annual report and, without having previously read your excellent postings, read it. I've read many Chairmans' reports over time but this was someting else! How wonderfully refreshing and opinionated!
I also studied the past extemely impressive perforamnce of the company and the accounts....and found myself thinking that investing in this company in this climate is anything other than 'specualtion'! True, the spread is huge and the shares very lightly traded but this is becuase the company is in the hands of successful, long-term and clearly highly motivated owners and Directors...well worth tucking a few (more) away but obviously for the long-term IMHO! Whatever the case, the Chairman's report is always going to be worth it! :-)|
|It is a pity there is such a big spread on this stock.
Most of the shares are tightly held.
There are 12 holders and the total comes to more than 100%
Must be a few duplicate shareholdings.
The report in the Investors Chronicle today puts the shares on FAIRLY PRICED.at 330p
The net asset value per share is 693p a discount of 52%
a dividend yield of 4.2%.
In the portfolio last year they had some good investments.
On there web site does not show the Information for the current year.
I have held the stock on many occasions when they were split into two companies.
When they merged the official can't rember who it was stated the merger would narrow the spread.
Well it hasn't.|
|Washbrook - thank you for post 12 but I don't think it came out quite as you intended?|