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Cfa Capital Grp LSE:CFP London Ordinary Share GB0030542319 ORD 0.25P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +0.00p +0.00% 15.95p 0.00p 0.00p - - - 0.00 05:00:10
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
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08/4/2005
13:27
agincourt: I would have thought share deals were best in the long term. After five years of accumulating shares in a large number of fast growing companies there is no telling where cfp share price will be. You got to speculate to accumulate!
06/4/2005
08:11
ranoszek: I know i am a novice at shares, but the CFP share price does not reflect, in my view, either its value or potential? Compare it for eg to share price of ACV where SB has taken over: about the same price, no cash in bank had to loan 70 k to keep it going and share price is only slightly lower than CFP that has cash , prospects and a business????????????????????????
14/3/2005
22:24
ranoszek: GD great post. I also wonder what Setstones' relisting will do to CFP share price? A bit of cash there if CFP decide to sell, which they might as one of SB's legacies and their decision to drop CFP .
11/3/2005
17:30
kanebill: Perhaps thats why Dean et al sold their shares - conflict of interest - to keep the FSA away. He would have seen that his potential business (using CFP) would generate an increase in the CFP share price. They may well have regained the shares via some sort of trust. Who knows. Until we know otherwise, his business would appear to be good for CFP.
09/12/2004
15:33
andonis: ON TARGET......... This is an old post just over a week I think...... Long time since I have done this so be patient if you do not agree with me.... Here is a chart full of markings of the CFP share price. What I have done is to show you that although Elliott Wave Theory is commonly applied to highly liquid shares, in this case it does apply to us, although not in 'real time' as it can for example with BPRG with volume of 5million per day. But longer term it does apply. Here is my story.....I start from early 2003 point marked M. Note Line M-N-O-A-B. This represents: MN the first Elliott, NO the second, OA the third and very strong and AB the 4th Elliott. (1-2-3-4-5-6 where we are now). We are therefore in the 4th wave, in my opinion the last hurdle of it.....the fifth wave is UP as shown in green hand drawn line. What is intriguing is the each line (M-N-O-A-B) consists of 5 completed Elliotts. SO it must be believable. Another point: From point S, I have drawn 3 upwards leading arrows. Each is double the length of the previous. We are at the moment sitting on the middle arrow and in my opinion we will settle on the share price of 1p eventually in a year time, double what is now. Note the share price is within the wedge I have drawn from lines AB and CB. We have been bouncing in it. Next we break out of it and guess which direction it will be? Yes you guessed right .... ;-) OK....what can happen? There is no doubt the Triangle ABC will break out there is a chance it goes down 0.35p support. I now very much doubt it as I think it WOULD HAVE happened. This share has been dead for some time....or rather being made this way...No RNS no nothing and a spread as wide as the legs of a hore. So this is a price which they have forced on us for some reason.... I remind people the 3M T trade a few days ago, T Rowlinsons admission that this share price is just about right, (right for whom I wonder)..... and the fact that before a stom it is very quiet.... I think this is the beginning of the 5th wave upwards for CFP. I also think 1p is not just an imagination it is higly probably next year..... Now yo can ask me questions....
28/11/2004
10:11
fbrj: Just to add my tuppence worth to the above debate. If, and personally I think it's a very big if, CFP were contemplating an aquisition why does this have to be funded through a cash placing? Surely the same affect (ie an acquisition funded through a share issue) could be achieved by making a paper offer directly to the selling Co's shareholders. The argument that it is a complementary merger - doesn't look quite so convincing if the large shareholders of the target company (let's assume who are senior management) - run for the door insisting on cash! Let us also remember that CFP are supposed to be Corporate Financiers/advisers. Presumably they should be able to advise themselves objectively!! Why on earth would they want to do any deal - whether it is to acquire or to be acquired off the back of the current (low) share price....especially if they genuinely believe that their own prospects are bright (and this is reflected in the future CFP share price). The only circumstances why CFP would want to be acquired right now is because they believe the outlook for the Co and share price is bleak......or if they were offered a "knock out" cash price above what they believe the shares might be trading at on the back of actual results in a few months time. I have to say that those who think we might get a take out price in the near future at anything near 1.25p are probably deluding themselves. Unless there are very special circumstances the typical premium paid in agreed (as opposed to hostile)takeovers of publicly traded companies has historically been around 35-40%. In our case that would equate to say 0.75p. So my view is that no deals of any sort will be done (either way) until the audited accounts are available for 2004 and, importantly, some indications of how business is going in 2005. .
24/11/2004
00:39
fbrj: I have to say that those who think we might get a take out price in the near future at anything above 1.25p are probably deluding themselves. Unless there are very special circumstances the typical premium paid in agreed (as opposed to hostile)takeovers of publicly traded companies has historically been around 35-40%. In our case that would equate to say 0.75p. Coincidentally I wrote the posts below when the share price was 0.75p (happy days eh??...lol!) "fbrj - 15 Sep'04 - 14:49 - 13872 of 13914 I think CFP are going to have to motor pretty hard during the 2nd half, even to justify the current share price. Here is my take, rough and ready and subject to any obvious corrections and omissions! I have tried to be objective...I am a shareholder! Current market cap @ 0.75p/share ....approx £5 million P/e say 15x .....gives earnings of : say £320,000 for full year Earnings (same as pre-tax because of losses c/fd) required in 2nd half: £320,000 + £58,000 (losses in 1st half to be made up) = £380,000 approx Costs:[£340,000/0.3] = £1,133,000pa = £565,000 say for half year. Total revenues required in 6 months to Dec 2004 [380+565] = £945,000 Already known: £225,000 + £340,000/2 (recurring income) = £395,000 Other revenues required................[945-395} .......= £550,000" Lets assume SB is in negotiations right now and persuades his potential suitor that the above nos for 2004 will be forthcoming next March but he wants an exit p/e of 20-25x to be able to provide an agreed and recommended deal. This equates roughly to 1.0 to 1.20p per share....ie 100%+ premium to current share price. Now i also wrote at about the same time... "fbrj - 17 Sep'04 - 09:56 - 13932 of 14398 edit Just in case I sound too gloomy (!) there is another way of looking at this [and why I remain a shareholder]. Remember, my comments related to justifying the current share price. Let's assume that CFA does indeed come in with £320,000 for the full year [the earnings required to give current share price on a multiple of 15x] and is accompanied by some comforting wording about the then outlook/workload/prospects from Barclay. On that basis, the market might well say that CFA made profits of about £375,000 in the 2nd half.....annualised [for 2005] plus some growth might give £750,000-£800,000. That kind of growth/turnaround might command a p/e of 20x...giving a market cap of say £15-16 million - equating to a share price of 2.25p plus. I suppose what all this tells me is that there will now be a pause while the market waits to see if CFA really can deliver in the 2nd half. ie it is waiting for confirmation. If this is received in a few months time...and prospects look good, then we could well be in for some exciting times and our patience rewarded!" If a deal is to be done now it will have to rely on 2004 nos (how much credibility will a buyer give to projections for 2005 ..a year that hasn't even started and in a business which is notoriously difficult to project - one off non recurring projects etc? All this leads me to think that SB would be most unlikely to do a deal now. If he was minded to do one at all, surely it would make much more sense to do it after [good] nos have been delivered in March, some form of projections would be available for 2005 and off the back of a much higher market price (assuming 2004 nos are good of course!). In other words, by delaying any negotiations for at least 6-9 months would be likely to provide all shareholders (including SB of course!) with better value.....unless the current prospects are not good, in which case perhaps a rush for the door might make sense! ps..while I was trawling through trying to find my original posts I came across an old favourite!! : chelwood01 - 17 Sep'04 - 10:36 - 13934 of 14398 after much deliberation i have now decided to sell my remaining holding in cfa capital as i personally see no future in this stock now for at least 2 years and if the economy should falter then even longer , stocktrader is right dont fall in love with a stock and keep your feet on the ground and dont worry if you decide to change direction.
19/11/2004
15:47
andonis: Long time since I have done this so be patient if you do not agree with me.... Here is a chart full of markings of the CFP share price. What I have done is to show you that although Elliott Wave Theory is commonly applied to highly liquid shares, in this case it does apply to us, although not in 'real time' as it can for example with BPRG with volume of 5million per day. But longer term it does apply. Here is my story.....I start from early 2003 point marked M. Note Line M-N-O-A-B. This represents: MN the first Elliott, NO the second, OA the third and very strong and AB the 4th Elliott. (1-2-3-4-5-6 where we are now). We are therefore in the 4th wave, in my opinion the last hurdle of it.....the fifth wave is UP as shown in green hand drawn line. What is intriguing is the each line (M-N-O-A-B) consists of 5 completed Elliotts. SO it must be believable. Another point: From point S, I have drawn 3 upwards leading arrows. Each is double the length of the previous. We are at the moment sitting on the middle arrow and in my opinion we will settle on the share price of 1p eventually in a year time, double what is now. Note the share price is within the wedge I have drawn from lines AB and CB. We have been bouncing in it. Next we break out of it and guess which direction it will be? Yes you guessed right .... ;-) OK....what can happen? There is no doubt the Triangle ABC will break out there is a chance it goes down 0.35p support. I now very much doubt it as I think it WOULD HAVE happened. This share has been dead for some time....or rather being made this way...No RNS no nothing and a spread as wide as the legs of a hore. So this is a price which they have forced on us for some reason.... I remind people the 3M T trade a few days ago, T Rowlinsons admission that this share price is just about right, (right for whom I wonder)..... and the fact that before a stom it is very quiet.... I think this is the beginning of the 5th wave upwards for CFP. I also think 1p is not just an imagination it is higly probably next year..... Now yo can ask me questions....
19/11/2004
15:29
andonis: Elliott Waves and CFP Long time since I have done this so be patient if you do not agree with me.... Here is a chart full of markings of the CFP share price. What I have done is to show you that although Elliott Wave Theory is commonly applied to highly liquid shares, in this case it does apply to us, although not in 'real time' as it can for example with BPRG with volume of 5million per day. But longer term it does apply. Here is my story.....I start from early 2003 point marked M. Note Line M-N-O-A-B. This represents: MN the first Elliott, NO the second, OA the third and very strong and AB the 4th Elliott. (1-2-3-4-5-6 where we are now). We are therefore in the 4th wave, in my opinion the last hurdle of it.....the fifth wave is UP as shown in green hand drawn line. What is intriguing is that each line segment of M-N-O-A-B consists of 5 completed Elliotts. SO it must be believable. Another point: From point S, I have drawn 3 upwards leading arrows. Each is double the length of the previous and they are minima of the falls. We are at the moment sitting on the middle arrow and in my opinion, next we will settle on the share price of 1p eventually after overshooting it next year, doubling the existing price. Note the share price is within the wedge I have drawn from lines AB and CB. We have been bouncing in it. Next we break out of it and guess which direction it will be? Yes you guessed right .... ;-) OK....what can happen? There is no doubt the Triangle ABC will break out there is a chance it goes down 0.35p support. I now very much doubt it as I think it WOULD HAVE happened. This share has been dead for some time....or rather being made this way...No RNS no nothing and a spread as wide as the legs of a hore. So this is a price which they have forced on us for some reason.... I remind people the 3M T trade a few days ago, T Rowlinsons admission that this sp is just about right, (right for whom I wonder)..... and the fact that before a storm it is very quiet.... I think this is the beginning of the 5th wave upwards for CFP. I also think 1p is not just an imagination it is highly probably next year..... Now you can ask me questions....
04/11/2004
19:51
andonis: DFGO: I make it that they need £600k per 6 months from the interims to break even (expenses, salaries). Anything more it is a profit. How do you calculate the profit? Maybe I got it wrong? Yes I somehow do not think they will come up with expected results since we have no evidence they have won significant work. I will be happy to be wrong. Therefore I worry about the profits: This needs profits not revenue of well over 250k for this to be justified at these levels. My other worry is that the near term charts are as bad as they can get...it looks it is falling like a stone and nobody buys until it stabalises and turns over. We are looking for a very long wait mid to end of next year provided the overall market allows it to rise. (If we dont have a crash). Management does not seem to respond at all on the falling share price but it did respond to the abrupt rise earlier on. Being quiet now can be interpreted that they agree that CFP share price heads towards a fair but lower price.
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