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[h2so4] 17/8/2002 21:06

If I where part of an advanced alien civilisation that has travelled perhaps millions of light years to visit Earth then I would probably begin communications by compressing various cereal crops into circular patterns. It's obvious really.

[krakow] 17/8/2002 20:38

Insolvent, interesting....I like your point number 3. If you think about it too much it makes your head spin. One question that does interest me is what are the implications for religion if ET life is ever found which is absolutely nothing like ours. Surely every religion would then become irrelevant.

I'm off to see if there's any intelligent life down my local. Unlikely, but you never know.
K.

[insolvent] 17/8/2002 20:18

Krakow, The Universe is a big place but that doesn’t mean it should be difficult to find things in it. The internet has in excess of 2 billion pages but it doesn’t normally take more than a few seconds to find the page we want. Sensitive radio equipment can scan millions of stars and billions of wavelengths. The nature of civilisations is that they expand exponentially and even if intelligent civilisations started to appear when the universe was already 99% of its current age (150 million years ago) you would have expected intelligent life to be widespread within the Universe by now.

Although we would expect other intelligent civilisations to reside many tens or hundreds or thousands of light years away surely, if they wanted us to find it, there would be evidence of their existence. So why isn’t there this evidence? Possible explanations are:

1. Maybe there are many intelligent civilisations but they simply do not want to be found.

2. Maybe curiosity is a peculiarly earthly phenomena and other civilisations have no interest in finding us.

3. Maybe there is abundant evidence of extraterrestrial civilisations but we do not realise it because we are interpreting technological phenomena as natural phenomena.

4. Maybe we are really alone.

[krakow] 17/8/2002 19:38

Insolvent, the universe is big and spans some 15 billion years. I believe there is life out there but finding it is akin to looking for half a needle in 100,000 haystacks when you don't know where the haystacks are. There is also no reason to believe that ET life consists of insects, vertebrates and other things familiar to us. It's also possible that other life forms have come and gone while some haven't formed yet. The nearest star to us is an eight year round trip at the speed of light. And that's just the nearest. Even at half the speed of light that's sixteen years there and back. No wonder there's no ET evidence yet. Not one single solitary piece of conclusive evidence. I believe we have to keep looking, though. Before the Sun burns out in 5 billion years we'll have to find somewhere else to live.
K.

[insolvent] 17/8/2002 19:20

Krakow,

I quite agree. Almost all crop circles are man made and those few that are not are due to natural phenomena such as winds. However, what I find curious is not the abundance of phenomena suggesting extraterrestrial intelligence but the complete, or almost complete, absence of it.

Recent scientific discoveries in other parts of the galaxy suggest there are numerous solar systems with earth like planets containing many of the essential ingredients for life. Water, oxygen, hydrocarbons and warmth. But where is all this life?

SETI () now has detection equipment billions of times more powerful than that available only a few years ago. But for all their money and technology there has not been one signal found that is even interesting, let alone convincing. Are we on the verge of a major new discovery is this a lost cause?

[antizenncs] 17/8/2002 13:34

I was looking at the sites you listed crop. Seen the latest circle?


"alien face"!, got to be a hoax, but a great ariel picture.

[mitzis] 17/8/2002 11:41

thats right Crop........I always dismiss crop cicles out of hand but apparently they go back hundreds of years so there must be something behind it..I am always interested in this sort of thing.. lay lines...dowsing etc..and I know for sure you must have an open mind on these things.. please note Krakow..

[crop] 17/8/2002 11:22

mitzis, just intrigued by these formations, especially the Arecibo face. that's all. I have an open mind. Even they are nothing but "art", I take my hat off to the artists!

[mitzis] 16/8/2002 21:25

crop.. are you interested in water- witching or dowsing ...........

[crop] 16/8/2002 19:26

Interesting link anti, thanks

Goatherd, yes I agree that many are "fakes" but I reckon there's more too it than just pranksters. Check out the symmtery and for that matter the fractals. Lower intellect individuals would not be able to make some of the formations. Just my opinion though

[goatherd] 16/8/2002 18:17

The only correlation I have noticed is the high proportion of crop circles found in the immediate vicinity of Agricultural Colleges - especially those with lower intellectual requirements - and where the students have more money than sense. eg Cirencester.

[antizenncs] 16/8/2002 18:10

great stuff, there is an interesting site which attempts to make a connection between these circles and features on Mars. Fanciful maybe but compelling reading

[crop] 16/8/2002 17:31

The latest crop circle to appear.






This phenomena continues to occur worlwide, despite attempts at debunking. In
2002 there have 128 formations.

See: for the international database. And here for some pretty pictures:



What causes these spectacular designs, is there a message like the amazing



Where two formations appeared (Aug 2001) near the Chilbolton radio telescope in Hampshire, one a human face, the other resembled a radio transmission that SETI (the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) sent from the Arecibo radio telescope in 1974, but with alterations in the message (for instance subtle changes in the genomic sequence). Puzzling stuff. Any thoughts?