Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Antonov Plc LSE:ATV London Ordinary Share GB00B3SHND79 ORD 10P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +0.00p +0.00% 59.00p 0.00p 0.00p - - - 0 05:00:10
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Automobiles & Parts 0.3 -9.8 -14.3 - 8.36

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crystalclear: The AGM is coming this week. However, the current high level of interest from Chinese automotive manufacturers indicates that the plan will need to allow for growth in this capacity to above 200,000 units per annum, which is now being taken into account within the planned production facility. Low Cost Four Speed Automatic The renewed interest in the Antonov 4 speed automatic system is expected to result in engineering projects during 2008. These will be client confidential projects and as such will not be announced to shareholders, but we will report progress as far as constraints of confidentiality allow. Since actual transmission production in your own factories (and in significant numbers) is far more significant than client development, there is probably no requirement to RNS these client projects. Unfortunately the lack of news flow then means the share price suffers. Torotrak have a larger market cap and they have a 50% stake in a few lawnmower trannies, and a hope that Tata (not Torotrak themselves) might make some IVTs. In my opinion Antonov's production of transmissions will start to put Antonov among the other transmission makers (Getrag, Jatco, ZF, GM Powertrain, Aisin) over a period of time. The future is rosy but there is no trigger yet for people to realise it. The share price may even drop further. Time cost average buying seems to be the way forward. Purchase a few at reguar intervals thus ensuring that some are bought near the bottom, and then hold on for dividends when the Chinese start exporting cars. The Antonov is going to be the first real Chinese car transmission. Shipping trannies from Japan, unloading them at the port and sending them halfway across China to a car plant - clearly that is going to stop and the Chinese carmakers will take their home made (Antonov) Loncin transmissions.
crystalclear: The consensus opionion is always the share price :))
crystalclear: I do Torotrak are being paid consultancy fees to design transmissions for others. Their real asset will be their stake in Infinitrak. Antonov are spending money designing their own transmissions. So Torotrak are in favour for receiving income and will own half of Infinitrak's premium ride on lawnmower transmission design. Antonov are out of favour for spending money and will own all of their front wheel drive automotive transmission design, supercharger transmission design etc. As the royalties start, the advantages of owning the transmission design verses having been paid to design one for somebody else will become apparent. Rerating of Antonov might start when income from the superchargers is on the books - next results hopefully. The share price factors in some production and so nothing is really certain, but Warren Buffet wasn't interested in selling good shares and with that mentality, being underpriced is of no real concern. I expect gradual rerating of the shares, but not until income from design work by Gelly and supercharger sales shows on the accounts. That should be around September?
crystalclear: Little Bert We are not far from entry into the FTSE Techmark 100. I believe we might be in the top 100 companies, but you need to be in the top 90 to ensure promotion into the index. So share price game playing is quite likely to occur. However look at the last of the following references .... .... and note that Geely also plan to sell the transmission to other Chinese car makers. However Torotrak are in the index and their lawnmower transmission sales are only going to cover directors salaries of around £2 million quid. Something has to give.
crystalclear: Do you mean share price or market capitalization? It's not just a question of scaling, as Antonov have been continually issuin new shares and warrants.
pkw: fatso - yes, that would make a very special Christmas present indeed! fwiw I believe Honda WILL be the catalyst that causes Antonov's share price to make a quantum leap. Double this level imo without question. Pre- Christmas? - getting a bit close but who knows, stranger things have happened.
pkw: Recognition has now started - of just one part of what Antonov has to offer and that alone should take the share price back nearer £1.20. Still very very undervalued but the wider audience has not understood till now what is going on here. Wait for Honda to declare its interest and we WILL see £2+ without doubt.
holmespaul: To Crystalclear: Thanks! for the information. Spoke to the company last week. Came across as 'not really wanting to say anything' and ' please do not take what I've said as positive or negative' kind of replies (as many companies tend to be!) in response to asking could they explain the reasons for the share price fall. Reckon I'll average down, just hope that it will not go belly up, and somebody does know more than is being announced. Although market makers are pigs for shafting the share price on the slightest bad news, I am also a pessimist with a view that share price falls of this magnitude tend to be for a genuine reason that comes out later after you've just bought more. Wait and see, and weep....(hope not!) Cheers
crystalclear: Price drop. This seems to be overdone. Antonov is constantly raising money to invest in R&D and a recent announcement of a debt for equity conversion plus mention of possible future funding requirements was taken my the press (and subsequently by the markets) as some sort of financial crisis. In the sense that Antonov has regularly been low on funds and raised money, the current funding position is better than it has often been in the past. MG Rover. I believe Antonov were working with Powertrain Limited on the 6-speed 5th generation Antonov Automatic Drive (AAD), and the Dual Clutch Antonov transmission (DCA). However the works started with the AAD. SAIC I believe have a preference for the dual clutch Antonov transmission, which can only powershift between odd and even gears (like the VW dual clutch transmissions). That basically leaves Nanjing as a reasonable target for the AAD, which Antonov invented first and put money into developing for production. I don't believe Nanjing have the facilities to put the transmission into production. Great Wall Motors possibly do. So Antonov would like to get Great Wall Motors to produce the transmission. The advantage for Great Wall Motors is that they could possibly use it in the small cars they are developing too. Whether Great Wall Motors are having doubts, or are just in a process of due diligence is hard to tell from the outside. That concern has possibly spooked investors, as Antonov have announced a three month delay in Great Wall's decision. This seems to have delayed a payment by Great Wall Motors, and while that shouldn't - as far as I know - affect Antonov's finances much in the long term; maybe the payment falls in a different accounting period and will make the company look worse in the next published results. Toyota. The result of the court case is due shortly. Weak investors that cannot afford to take a hit if Antonov lose the case might be partially or completely reducing their holdings. I am unaware of the size of typical punitive damages, but some press articles indicate that Antonov could be awarded an amount significantly exceeding its current market capitalization. So that is a possible plus, for the stronger shareholders that can afford to run the risk. My persoanl belief is that the downside risk is minimal as the share have already recently taken a beating, and I don't think possible Toyota royalties are currently included in Antonov's share price to any real extent. Superchargers. Another negative effect on sentiment is the Antonov supercharger. Many investors (including myself) believed that GM (or more correctly its subsidiary Wheel to Wheel) had developed a supercharger kit for sale to the public. It now appears they developed it for a publicity run, and that the first real applications will be the Hummer H3, and another vehicle who's name escapes me at the moment. Although not important in the overall scheme of things, it seems to have upset a few private investors. The real importance of the supercharger however, is in the potential for downsizing engines and to demonstrate that the AMM is a commercial product. Antonov have had an enquiry (not an order) for 100,000 suprchargers, presumably with downsizing in mind. AMMs used as accessory drives can save about 4% on a vehicles fuel I believe, and this is another large potential market, in view of the importance to manufacturers of improving their MPG, both on paper and in the real world, due to petrol prices. Honda. Many people are forgetting Honda, since it takes three years or so from contract to production. The contract was signed in February 2002. Production is now overdue. I believe it is now too late for Honda to bring out an AMM based car gearbox. That means their potential applications are maybe superchargers, and front end accessory drives. My bet would be an Antonov based front end accessory drive, which Honda might call Integrated Motor Assist. Their current offerings mean that the air-con, water and oil pumps turn off when the engine turns off at traffic lights; or electric pumps etc need to be used. I believe Honda will produce something.
crystalclear: hebgb - 3 Jul'06 - 09:19 - 745 of 751 I see Antonov are having trouble with their Great Wall Motor Company licensee. I sincerely hope for CCs sake that they can sort it out. Thanks for the kind thoughts hebgb. I think it is just GWM doing their due diligence and needing clarification on certain things - eg pushing for lower costs from suppliers - before taking over from Powertrain. As I see it, even if they drop out,Antonov could get somebody else to put the transmission into production. I believe GWM have had a query for 50,000 transmissions a year from another manufacturer, so I believe the demand is there. GWM have started their own small car programs too and really need a small automatic transmission. If they went for the dual clutch Antonov then I don't think they would be able to get to market in time for vehicle launch. Without GWM Antonov have the result of the Toyota court case, where Toyota have been putting Antonov CVTs in the Prius for a few years noz, and they will owe us royalties. Roumen believes that the CVT patent desribes gears, motors, petrol engine, car wheels and how they are all connected together. Thus royalties are arguably due on the cost of the vehicle rather than the gears themselves. I believe punitive damages are normally awarded when patents are illegally used, to discourage further criminal acts. Antonov have their "bankable deal" with Honda from February 2002 too. That should be nearing production, and my hopes are on Honda Precision Parts Georgia or another American operation, both due to start production around the middle of this year. Finally, a quick solution for anybody struggling to meet ACEA-by-2008 fuel requirements could be to downsize their engines and put in an Antonov supercharger, like in the Antonov AR 500 Mustang - so named as it has 500 horsepower. So yes, there is a disparity between Antonov's market capitalization and Torotrak's. But I think the Toyota court case and Honda production might sort that out for once and for all, later this year. Antonov might need to replace GWM. I sincerely hope not. But as a full service transmisison design company, they can get somebody else to manufacture. When Antonov were just an IP company, Honda owned the Honda transmission designs when Antonov helped Honda. But with Antonov helping GWM, Antonov own the transmission design and it wouldn't be too hard to replace GWM with whoever were Antonov's second choice. Wacky films sent Fluffy and the script writer round to our house a week ago with camera etc and they have now chosen another boy to play the part of Tom in the film L'etoile Manquante. But if there is anyproblem, they could fall back on my lad, as he is still keen to play the role. In the same way, I bet there is another Chinese company somewhere sad at having to play reserve to GWM and not having been chosen for production of the 5th generation Antonov 6-speed. = PS. With the drop in Antonov's share price, the Toyota court settlement could exceed Antonov's market cap. That wouldn't be a bad return on investment for anybody buying Antonov now and waiting until the end of August for a court decision, plus a bit longer for share price reaction etc.
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