Advanced Oncotherapy Share Discussion Threads

[gerhart] 21/12/2016 21:31

Think it's clear now that TW was way off the mark describing us as uninvestible.

(Not reacting to TW, well assuming so) NED has in efffect eye-balled TW and has been putting his money where his mouth is.

And at least one other person/Co doesn't buy TW's view. And again putting substantial sums of money down.

What do they think they know ....or do know?!

[daijavu] 21/12/2016 20:33

I think that some of the NEDS might have more spare cash than others on the BoD. Some executive Directors are paid employees.

[gerhart] 21/12/2016 08:05

Wish some of the others were as keen as the NED. But it would appear someone else, currently below the reporting threshold, is keen also.

[daijavu] 20/12/2016 20:24

What losses are those scantrader? I've been holding AVO shares for a long time and I've yet to lose a penny.

[scantrader] 20/12/2016 11:37

Bet they wish they had a few months ago. They need the share price to triple from here to make up for their losses.

[free2trade1] 20/12/2016 11:35

someone taking a big position here or somebody knows about more orders buyers picking up the stock big time

[gerhart] 20/12/2016 11:27

Get the impression someone has begun stocking up on these. And not just for Christmas. Clearly they don't agree with TW!

[pyglet] 20/12/2016 11:17

Need the BoD to buy as well as NEDs. Show some real commitment.

[trade4free] 19/12/2016 21:45

BIG chunky buys today 175k delayed moved her up at 2.08pm position being taken

[vatnabrekk] 16/12/2016 17:18

It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks about TW, it is the issues that are important here. I very much doubt if very many investors are selling just because TW recommended SELL, but mainly because they have looked at the issues and the lack of information from the company.

I'm confident that the LIGHT system will eventually become a working and commercial system. My concern however is when will that happen, and where will the share price go before it happens.

I'm not blindly following TW, but I am taking a long hard look at the issues that he raises. Many of them are valid.

[sweet karolina] 16/12/2016 14:00

My reading of the situation is they have hit a technical snag and do not know how long it will take to sort it out. The video is there to reassure us they have some very clever people working on things, which they do, however having really clever people does not always solve the problem.

The issue with TW is that he is being used (willingly on TW's part) by Sinophi to expose what the company does not want exposed. Like him or loathe him, you cannot ignore what he is coming out with.

In the meantime the £25M loan is not going to be forthcoming in the near future and maybe not at all. This could all hit the buffers rather rapidly as they are going to have to keep spending money to sort out whatever snag they have and try to get a working prototype out to restore confidence, but sooner rather than later the money is going to run out. I very much doubt they would be able to get a significant placing away, unless they can restore confidence first.

[barnetpeter] 16/12/2016 13:18

I am not a fan of TW as such...I dont think he can pick a share at all. But on the bear side he has a real track record. The amount of junk he has exposed....

The fact is that there are red flags all over AVO....from the time the departing directors started selling. More and more info is steadily coming out and its not good. Now the house broker is turning negative.....I hope none of you are big holders of this. Its so easy to confuse hope with investing.

This stock is a dawg. Not yet a real deputy dawg that wipes out holders completely. I think myself the company is in very big trouble and cash is pouring out. I think they were relying on orders that are no longer in place. The expected funding is simply not on its way from China and there is now a big hole that the directors dont know what to do about. Spending millions when you dont have any income or a working project is scary stuff. They cant tell the market the full truth because the mkt could not handle it. 2019 is a long way to go.....

[daijavu] 16/12/2016 12:55

pyglet. I admit to being a fan of AVO and not of TW but don't imagine that those things make me blinkered. I can see the risks. I've also been in and out of AVO a few times and managed to increase my stake each time at no cost to myself.

I think that the biggest risk we face is that AVO will be taken over by a predator who will reap the benefits of the technology. Heck, that might even be TW.

[pyglet] 16/12/2016 12:47

The Market nearly always gets it right.
One man cannot make the share price go down like it has.

I understand all the technology I have been in for 2 years or so but got out when they did the cynical 25:1 share price conversion as I thought then "Hey Up something's up!"
Good luck to you but don't be so blinkered.

[daijavu] 16/12/2016 12:40

I read Tom's piece of cut and paste and his usual negative spin on it and I'm not impressed.

If it had been written by anyone else I might have sat up and taken notice but not with Tom. He keeps making it obvious that he has not researched the technology and doesn't understand it. He has got it fixed in his mind that AVO is just another Quindell run by a load of fakes and cheats who are going to let everyone down and he is on a personal crusade to prove it. Even if he has to bring the company down himself.

Don't forget that AVO's technology was developed by CERN and licensed to AVO to provide the world with affordable proton therapy and CERN scientists are still involved in building and developing the LIGHT machine.

It seems that CERN also developed the cyclotrons sold by some of AVO's competitors and that those companies have not developed their own technology but merely tweaked CERN's old, and now outdated, designs.

[pyglet] 16/12/2016 12:38

DaijavuYou are deluded. To say that the low share price is largely due to TW is ridiculous.In case you haven't noticed it is due to all the last RNSs over the past month and the consistent denying by the BoD to issue a proper timeline.The reason that they won't speak about the timeline is obvious..,the share price would tank. Protect your capital and put it into PRSM. Just saying.

[barnetpeter] 16/12/2016 11:37

Advanced Oncotherapy - even house broker Beaufort now getting cold feet - See more at: hxxp://www.shareprophets.com/views/25978/advanced-oncotherapy-even-house-broker-beaufort-now-getting-cold-feet#sthash.j8v7fFeQ.dpuf


More funding will be needed soon it seems. The cash burn is ferocious with no income at all...and they cant touch the loan taken out for Harley Street. So what price the next placing ...in January? 30 pence, 20 pence maybe? Are some forward selling knowing that a huge dilution is on the way at a huge discount?

[werty5] 16/12/2016 11:01

Have not sold out due to infomation provided by TW because I think the guy is a bit of a crank. The reasons I have sold at least for now is lack of information from the BOD I do expect that this will be rectified in due course but can only see a drift in the price until then. I make no secret of wishing to buy back in lower and I also know bottom fishing is a dangerous game to play but I will chance it for a while.

[twirl] 16/12/2016 10:52

The main concern IMHO is not the technology but WHEN and potentially HOW MUCH dilution.

I consider that they will produce a working LIGHT machine capable of being manufactured.
However the apparent slip in the testing timetable and announcement of a "financing plan" remain as negatives.

[gerhart] 16/12/2016 10:28

I agree with Igbert and Daijavu. TW gets some right. But a lot wrong too.

I bought NIPT on one of his paid for share tips. Look at the share price of that now. But he still favours them, despite what happened.

I bought MIN as a paid for share tip - nearly two years ago, on basis of big decision (PD) due soon (then). It came much later - in March this year. But when he was pushing MIN right up to about 12p he never tolder punters the big decision was itself open to appeal. A big fat piece of relevant information. We're waiting on that appeal result due anytime, and almost certaily still a yes. And then the share price should shoot up finally.

So I think he is very biased. Whatever view he takes, to me he then always seems to make the information fit his view. And he keeps pushing as he needs to sow doubt in order more punters will buy/sell to make him right.

And in this case of course, our BOD here at AVO, by their virtual silence have given him an open goal. But it's the science we should have faith in. It's that which will generate the income and share price movement.

[daijavu] 16/12/2016 10:24

I agree Igbert

[igbertsponk] 16/12/2016 10:03

daijavu - of course TW is milking this for all its worth. That's what he does.
But the AVO Board are making it very easy for him, with their continued silence.

[daijavu] 16/12/2016 09:57

Freddythefish.

It seems from what CERN has said that the cyclotrons supplied by AVO's competitors are based on CERN's earlier work and not developed by AVO's competitors themselves. Some seem to have even copied CERN's work without permission. CERN has moved on from the cyclotron to develop LIGHT as a much better means of providing proton therapy. AVO's competitors are merely tweaking CERN's outdated designs and not developing anything new for themselves.

It is also interesting that the product is not actually owned by AVO. It is licensed to them by CERN and CERN is still deeply involved in the development and testing of it. That reinforces the very important fact that AVO is not a two bit company that is going to go away and explains the confidence that has led them to investing money and effort into creating an industrial manufacturing base even before the first machine is fully tested.

I believe that anyone who listens to TW and sells on his advice is going to regret it. I think that TW is largely responsible for the low sp, anyway. He has decided that AVO is just another Quindell and he is going to damn well move heaven and earth to prove it. He is on a personal, ego driven, crusade. I don't think he has researched the LIGHT machine so he does not understand it and does not think it is much different to the other proton therapy machines that he also knows nothing about.

But that is just my opinion. I suggest that everyone should do their own research and decide for themselves and not rely on the advice of others.