Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Advance Focus LSE:ADF London Ordinary Share GB0031991879 PART RED PRF SHS 1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +0.00p +0.00% 111.00p 0.00p 0.00p - - - 0.00 05:00:10
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
- - - - 27.90

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24/6/2001
23:59
Kayak "Fundamentals are always out of date" - they are if you accept what you are told. I dont. Almost all the companies I invest in will talk to me and answer my technical questions up to date, today. They do that. You probably didn't notice because it isn't your bag, but when I posted on Celtic, some of the data was not the same as that published. This is because as you implied things change. I don't accept what I read as today's truth, unless I have checked it out as much as possible myself. As for the chartist view. I'm not against, its a valid model but doesn't suit me because I would go mad staring at a screen all day. Good luck with the graphs. Cheers Roland
rolandp
24/6/2001
22:44
Dil, Yes but it is so messy, you have to take their dummies out of their mouth first, then make sure that they do not throw their rattle out of the pram as they lose their tempers, then get a sawn off shottie and blast em, it makes such a mess! Who cleans it all up? It is better to just ignore them, or wind them up when they ask about the Relative Strength Index, Moving Average Convergence/Divergence or otherwise ram a Bollinger Band or two up where it hurts if they really step out of line! That way there is no mess! LOL Ash
mr ashley james
24/6/2001
22:39
I agree with you Ash , bloody chartists and day traders should be shot at birth :-) Dil
dil
24/6/2001
18:00
Ashley, a chartist can see that everyone else is selling and decide that the three year business plan, revenues, profits, and press releases count for nothing if the stock is going down. Say Redstone for instance :-)
kayak
24/6/2001
17:54
Seeing as Ashley James is a proven Liar and Ramper does it not make it hard to accept anything he says? I am not a memeber of the PBB but if I was I would be elated at the news that Ashtray was no longer going to post there!
sword of truth
24/6/2001
16:45
Kayak, In your post 106, you ignore the fact that companies need to provide three year business plans, fundamentalists, the Ayatollah included, can then review a company's performance against stated objectives. What can a chartist do? Best regards Ashley
mr ashley james
24/6/2001
16:36
Madge Go ahead and create value if altruism is what motivates you. I'd rather create profits. Gausie
gausie
24/6/2001
16:34
Gausie, I agree shorting by definition, ie destroying value in a bear market, is far easier than going long, ie creating value! I understand most PBB quite rightly shorted most TMT stocks down from March 2000, the way to go IMHO! It is however a little tough to create value, unless you invest in undervalued jewells, in a bull run in the sector! Best regards Ashley
mr ashley james
24/6/2001
16:31
Karl - good post. I'd add that experienced traders also make money by selling low and buying lower. Refusal to accept this strategy as legitimate is, of course, the nub of Madge's problem. Gausie
gausie
24/6/2001
16:05
Ashley James, I would like to put a different slant on the term "Buy low, sell high" As we know, perhaps the best known investment paradigm is "buy low, sell high". I believe that more money can be made buying high and selling at even higher prices. I used (I am retired) to buy stocks that have already had good price moves, that are often making new highs and that have positive relative strength. These are stocks that are in demand by other investors. What is the risk? Obviously, the risk is that I'm buying near the top. But, I would much rather be invested in a stock that is increasing in price and take the risk that it may begin to decline than invest in a stock that is already in a decline and try to guess when it will turn around. Kayak, TBH I have not got time to.
lady mary hinge
24/6/2001
15:36
"I've got a lot to say, it's been storing up for months." Oh well, off again soon then :-)
kayak
24/6/2001
15:31
Chartist, The point I am trying to make is IMHO one needs to:- BUY LOW, SELL HIGH RUN YOUR PROFITS, CUT YOUR LOSSES NOT TRADE VERY OFTEN, ie why make mms loads of dosh, pay SD (unless CFD's)Bkge commission, etc all guarantee to wipe you out. Traders seem to forget, all of the above are on the OVERALL purchase value, and ex SD on the OVERALL sales value An example, if I am investing £10,000 in a stock at 10p per share, buying 100,000 shares, if I buy via the market my costs in simple terms might be:- Spread 1p to 1.50p, ie cost £1,000 to £1,500 SD 0.50%, ie cost £50 Bkge 1% (I know frequent traders pay 0.40%) say £100 In short I have spent £10,150 to buy something on selling I will only receive:- Say £10,000 less 1p spread £9,000, less 1% Bkge, ie £8,910 net absolute, with 1.50p spread I would only get £8,500 less 1% Bkge, ie £8,415 I would have lost between £1,090 and £1,585 before I have even started. If I back a minor cap, with a long term view below £10m market cap, with IMHO the probability of going to £50m market cap within 18 months, it makes sense, for a 500% return but not going in and out of things for a 25% return, the spread, SD and commission eat up my profit. Even with a five bagger 10p to say 50p, assuming a 1p spread, I only get £50,000, less 1p spread to bid say £49,000, less 1% commission £48,510, so my net profit will only be £48,510 less £10,150, ie £38,360, before tax man takes his 35% if subject to tapered relief after 18 months, my net profit is £24,934, a worthwhile sum to have taken the risk of losing £10,150 in the first place, the risk/reward dynamic stacks up. The same person trading to risk £10,150, to say sell at a 25% profit gross, ie 12.50p, 11.50p net spread, less 1% bkge only gets £11,385, a profit of £1,235 less 40% tax is £741, but he or she has still risked losing £10,150, to me the risk reward dynamics do not stack up! Why the hell risk £10,150 to win a paltry £741 net, net? No wonder most traders get buried alive! Best regards Ashley
mr ashley james
24/6/2001
15:28
Crocodile, I don't think it will happen, do you ?. I've got a lot to say, it's been storing up for months. Time will tell. HRH Mary Hinge
lady mary hinge
24/6/2001
14:41
LMH A lot of truth in what you say. I agree that if one adopts a "fundamentalist" approach, this has to be consistently applied in that the "facts" must always be upto date. As you say today's truth may not be next years and the investment decision to hold should reflect that. This unfortunately doesn't mean just reading the press releases! I agree the market is a flawed process for valuation and it is, of course, precisely that which permits it to be exploited. For some, operating in a niche area helps - the Resource community is a small world and information can flow from surprising directions. Even the BB! And I accept that momentum trading works - if you can stand the pressure. Sheds like you I agree the charts certainly help plan the entrance and exit...... I think I can guess which company you're referring to.... Cheers Roland
rolandp
24/6/2001
14:00
A Look forward to seeing you back on the PBB, we miss your postings! D.
crocodile
24/6/2001
13:26
I believe in the trade it's known as 'alpha' and 'beta' value. If you just do what the market does, you have a high 'beta', however if you consistently outperform the market then you have high 'alpha'. Obviously the high alphas are fewer and further between. Momentum trading does work as long as you have discipline.
lady mary hinge
24/6/2001
12:51
Quite right Roland, but then you are the exception rather than the rule.
kayak
24/6/2001
12:50
A stock's price is rarely the same as the company's value. The reason for that is the valuation process is flawed. Stock prices are heavily affected by market dynamics and by investors' emotions. These emotions swing widely from pessimism to optimism. Also, many investors buy stocks with the intention of holding them for 1 to 5 years based upon information that really only applies to a short-term time horizon. While the information they are using to invest may be valuable, it is often the wrong information for their investment timeframe. If people invest in a company based on current information, they have to be prepared to act on any changes in that information in a much shorter time frame than most investors are prepared to do. HRH
lady mary hinge
24/6/2001
11:59
Chartist, If it works for you carry on doing it, but remember you have the help of an established name ie you work "for an investment bank from a screen, pure momentum technical analysis." Well done, anyone can make money trading for a brand name! Hurrah! PS I have not tried to get my head around the subject, the study of what happenned yesterday to read tomorrow, by definition, the decision is based on "past performance", I can not see why people allow "retroactive analysis" to predict "future occurrence", on a short term scale! Long term, yes it makes sense, on a 6 year wave cycle, short term IMHO you are gambling, which in summary is my problem with chartists, you do not "gamble" on something going up and down, subject to herd sensibilities, you logically endeavour to make it happen!
mr ashley james
24/6/2001
09:08
Ashley's got a point. I think I get £5 of value from the PBB. But it could be a whole lot better. I just started a thread to collect suggestions. Thanks for starting the ball rolling Mr. James
energyi
24/6/2001
09:02
Anagram of Mr Ashley James = "Majer Sham, Yes"
lady mary hinge
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