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MFX Manx Financial Group Plc

24.00
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28 Mar 2024 - Closed
Delayed by 15 minutes
Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Manx Financial Group Plc LSE:MFX London Ordinary Share IM00B28ZPX83 ORD NPV
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  0.00 0.00% 24.00 23.00 25.00 24.00 24.00 24.00 69,211 08:00:00
Industry Sector Turnover Profit EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap
Personal Credit Institutions 36.05M 4.67M 0.0405 5.93 27.72M
Manx Financial Group Plc is listed in the Personal Credit Institutions sector of the London Stock Exchange with ticker MFX. The last closing price for Manx Financial was 24p. Over the last year, Manx Financial shares have traded in a share price range of 15.00p to 29.50p.

Manx Financial currently has 115,491,936 shares in issue. The market capitalisation of Manx Financial is £27.72 million. Manx Financial has a price to earnings ratio (PE ratio) of 5.93.

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
28/3/2024
21:52
Conister increased lending by 53% from £203m to £302m (UK & IoM, including to PA Ltd)
But it's PAT only increased from £1.8 to £2.2m.
Only +22% !!
(Data from the AR)

imo there is, or should be !, more profit to come from that area in 2024, since it has clearly lagged, imo.

Ratios. PAT/lending
2022 1.8/203 = 0.89%
2023 2.2/302= 0.73%

A fall in profitability whereas one would have expected it have increased due to operational gearing.

Normally due to operational gearing one expects a big increase in turnover with little increase in staff to increase the profit margin, not reduce it.
But it looks like MFX-Conister has provided highish interest rates to attract in the money. It's a fair amount of money from the smallish population of the IoM, unless some is coming in chunks from international finance bodies using the IoM tax haven.

To return to the margin of 2022 would be an increase from 0.73% to 0.89%, + 0.16%, = .16/.73
= 22%

£302m (2023) with 2022 margin rate of 0.89% would give a PAT for Conister of £2.7m. an increase of £1/2m. A material amount-increase on the reported group PAT of £5.3m.
So, hopefully we will see a higher PAT for Conister for 2024.

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And if Conister lending grows to say £380m, a smaller % growth than in 2023, to be cautious, & achieved the 2022 margin, 0.89% then the PAT for Conister would be
£380m X 0.89% = £3.4m PAT
An increase of +£1.2m from 2023.

Shouldn't count ones chickens too early on, but it is useful to do some sums, look at the ratios, look at the trends. The growth trend in lending at MFX has been going on for years, the data is in the past accounts. No reason to think it will stop now after 2023.

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A) PA. If 4 months average loan period.
funding of loans made of ~£140m by PA Ltd, if the average loan duration was 4 months (perhaps it's longer) that infers an average loan to PA Ltd of 1/3rd of the total of £140m =~£47m. Although the loan was previously ~£23-£26 million at the time of acquisition, so the relative change wrt 2022 is smaller, at ~£20-23m.

B) if 5 months average loan period
funding of loans made of ~£140m by PA Ltd, if the average loan duration was 5 months (perhaps it's longer) that infers an average loan to PA Ltd of 5/12 of the total of £140m =~£58m. Although the loan was previously ~£23-£26 million at the time of acquisition, so the relative change wrt 2022 is smaller,
at ~£34m.

smithie6
28/3/2024
21:21
And..more.. ;-)

PA Ltd made £1.8m PAT for '23.
25% UK corporate tax I think now.
So, a PBT of £2.4m. (MFX owns 50.1% of PA Ltd, with an option to buy the other half)

Overall loans made by PA Ltd in '23, ~£140m, see recent previous posts.
So, PBT as a % margin is 2.4/140= 1.7%.
Only this small % & a big amount of money produces a material sum as profit.
Note that this is after the costs of borrowing the money from MFX & paying MFX for some support (MFX administer/ed a material % of the loans).

(I think software , or more software, will be introduced to automate more of the process)

smithie6
28/3/2024
19:54
Digging thru the accounts a bit more.

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I hadn't realised/noticed that the volume of loans in '23 was £353m,
up 52% !!!!!
from 2022 (£231m)

An increase of £122m !!

:-0

Digging a bit more, the lending in H1 '23 was £68m.
(I'm rounding to nearest £1m)
So, an estimate for PA loans for 2023 is >£136m, 2x H1, let us say £140m.
Let us estimate £25m (100%) for 3 months while 50.1% owned by MFX at the end of 2022.
That gives an increase for 2023 wrt 2022 for PA lending while 50.1% owned by MFX as 140-25= £115m.

Hang in there reader, I will make a point soon from all these numbers !! :-)

So, MFX loans made in '23 went up £122m.
PA ltd contributed an increase in loans of ~£115m.

You see the point ?
That the increase in loans by MFX in '23 was virtually all due to PA Ltd !!

, if my calculations are correct, which are mostly/generally based on real numbers given in the '23 MFX accounts & the H1 results presentation, so my calculations should be about right.

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If PA ltd can grow loans made by say 20% in 2024 & if £140m is a an accurate estimate for 2023 (~2 X H1, so it should be correct or a partial underestimate).

By
20%....140+ 28m = £168m !
30%.....140+ 42m = £182m !

While noting that the increase in H1 2023 wrt H1 2022 was higher, at ....66% !!
But after the initial increase after having MFX providing more funding I guess that the growth will not be as high. Pencilling in +66% again would be over optimistic imo !

'If' PA were to achieve £182m of loans in 2024 it would be 79% (182/231) of the total MFX lending in 2022 !!!

:-0

Impressive growth.

smithie6
28/3/2024
17:42
Think a non exc brought PAT as a contact ages ago
castleford tiger
28/3/2024
16:59
...looking from a distance it might be that the marked improvement in the profit at MFX over the last 3-4 years lines up with the CEO changing, as well as the company achieving a critical mass/size.
...if the 'new' CEO has played a part then we can't moan about him getting some share options (RSUs) exercising in the future at 0p, subject to achieving performance targets, ....he surely played a key part in the PA Ltd acquisition deal which so far is going very well & contributing nicely to MFX.
...and MFX has rapidly enlarged its lending in the UK (mainly due to PA Ltd I assume) & a result/consequence of that is the move/outlay to obtain the UK banking licence....& that should assist future growth
....all going very well these last few years....& one assumes that the new CEO has been an important part of that.
... definitely not been afraid to give it a go anyway !

smithie6
28/3/2024
15:56
History of attributable MFX PAT.

Basic PAT
2016 basic attributable PAT. £1.3m
2018 basic attributable PAT. £2.5m
2019 basic attributable PAT. £2.7m
2020 basic attributable PAT. £2.0m
2021 basic attributable PAT. £2.8m (+ 40% !)
2022 basic attributable PAT. £4.3m (+ 54% !)
2023 basic attributable PAT. £5.3m (+ 23% !)

The PAT has almost doubled in just 2 years !!!

The growth in the PAT
2020 to 2023 . £2.0m to £5.3m. + 115% !
2021 to 2023 £2.8m to £5.3m. + 89% !

2021 to 2023. Almost doubled in just 2 years !

And that is with very low profit % of 0.8% PAT from £302million of loans made in 2023 by Conister to borrowers, subsidiaries, associates & agents/brokers. Which the company says it expects to increase.

Sequential annual growth in attributable basic PAT in the last 3 years ( '21, '22, '23) of 40%, 54%, 23% !.
Pretty stellar really !

And despite this very big % growth in profits the p/e is still low, although yes the share price has risen a lot.

The market is not aware imo of these growth numbers. The cap. value is <£30 & the number of existing shareholders is surely very small. And in the past 3 years the company has been mentioned in the financial media very few times, so perhaps one can't blame PIs for never having heard of MFX.

smithie6
28/3/2024
15:17
Further note about low % margin.

Text in the H1 report makes it very clear that the company is fully aware of this (no surprise there !) & that it was in part done intentionally to attract deposits, as I suggested.
And that the company plans/expects the margin to increase back to a more normal % over time, especially if/as interest rates reduce (which are predicted by everyone & the USA's FED) in 2024, 2-3 interest rate cuts are forecast in the USA, & the UK & EU are expected to do similar rate cuts imo.

"This margin erosion is clear evidence of Conister Bank Limited passing on interest rate increases to the Island’s long-suffering savers and indeed it has proved very successful in attracting a significant number of new depositors. It is worth noting that this margin erosion has been partially offset by our increasing yields, which once the interest rates start decreasing, will help to restore our net interest margin to a more normalised position. "

"Increasing yields" ...if anyone understands that, feel free to post !
...very bad use of words imo...
..reducing the nett margin % increases the yield ??, uh, really ??!

(What it meant to say, imo, was that the loan to deposit ratio had increased.
For me the use of the word "yield" is simply, well, wrong)

smithie6
28/3/2024
14:05
Stewy
...be interesting to dig in to the accounts & see what % of money left with Conister gets <1%, what is deposited for 1 year, what % for 3 years etc.
(For 1 year loans, every month 1/12 of them end & if they will get a new % rate if deposited again)

But finding the enthusiasm to do that today is difficult!

smithie6
28/3/2024
13:54
Btw
I'm disappointed with Jim Mellon.
He's a largely non-involved exec chairman, charging a lowish fee (£50-60k) & he brings a lot of financial & markets experience to the table. (In terms of predicting economic movement & stock market movement & predicting things like bond/gilt market movements in advance, he is very clued up, & experienced. And he has a big investment here so he surely keeps a close on minimising/controlling the risks/exposure that the group takes. As the biggest shareholder, with his friend's stake & options, it would be a brave (or foolish) person in the bod. who fought against JMs preferred decision, since you might be out soon afterwards !)

But

Imo, to receive numerous complaints from shareholders (including holders of 2-3% I think) about confusing reporting in the last annual accounts & the 2023 H1 accounts

To then partially repeat the same mistake again in these accounts. Is pretty stupid imo.
The front page intro sentence JM writes that the PBT =£7.0m, +35% wrt 2022.


while inside the report ...on the next page !! it says the PAT is ~£5.3 million for MFX shareholders. Up from £4.3m for 2022. =+23%, not +35% !

And who wants to see PBT on the fron page summary ?! No one imo !
Investors care about PAT, the amount for shareholders after the taxman gets his cut. And PAT is used for the important EPS calculation, not PBT.
Why JM uses PBT in his front page summary, crazy imo.

If I was a potential new investor that would put me off the shares. If I was looking at investing say £2k in 1 of 3 shares, well, if share 1 had some confusion I would just discard it & decide between shares 2 & 3.

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JM
There is a saying 'you can lead a horse to water, but you cant force it to drink'
Or perhaps, in this case, 'sometimes the horse even refuses to be lead to the water' !

smithie6
28/3/2024
13:48
Oh, the dark arts Smithie! One wonders if they can increase the margins or if the interest rates are locked in on the loans.
stewy_18
28/3/2024
13:23
Conister & it's low nett % margin. 0.8% on loans. (£2.2m PAT on £302m of loans made in 2023, IoM & UK, which includes via PA Ltd imo)

Here is an idea for you...
....the CEO has a chunk of options, some exercise at 0p, perhaps to meet the performance targets the plan is to build up the size of the loan book, helped by making very little profit on it !!, & then, bam, increase the margin at the right time to meet the perf. reqts to meet the perf. targets to get all of the share options/RSUs at 0p exercise price.
It's one idea.

smithie6
28/3/2024
12:04
Quiet day for MFX shares
Only £500 traded so far today up to midday.

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By 1pm, 23k shares, picked up a bit.

smithie6
28/3/2024
12:00
the AR for 2023 says

"In the UK, growth has been driven by our Structured Finance products with lending increasing by £93.1 million to £246.2 million (2022: £153.1 million). The structuring of these facilities continues to minimise the risk of default and is proving a successful mechanism for growth in this difficult environment."

I think it means that these loans have asset backing.

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..risks of bad debts...
..well, very low bad debt % in 2023, & a lower % than in 2022.
So, that all looks good imo.

smithie6
28/3/2024
11:57
How risky are those loans, and is it fear of losses from them that is holding the share price back?
clocktower
28/3/2024
11:45
Conister IoM provides the funding to PA, BLX, PIML, BBSL etc etc...not Conister UK ltd

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Conister UK ltd might have started lending, since it has a licence but since it won't start it's on-line deposit taking until H2 2024 & is setting itself up imo I assume it hasn't taken any deposits yet ...
....although it could obtain funds from Conister IoM to lend out, in advance if taking deposits, if it wanted.

(Imo logical first deposits at Conister UK would be from MFX subsidiaries since they each hold some cash, & as controlled or owned subsidiaries MFX can tell them their cash needs to be deposited at Conister UK ! ;-)
....although Conister UK imo perhaps needs to provide banking services for that, & perhaps it's not at that stage yet)

smithie6
28/3/2024
11:42
Have they really already loaned out £150 million from the UK branch of Conister?
stewy_18
28/3/2024
11:33
OK CT, but why are other banks %age margin in a lot higher that Conister? I remember this being asked at the last Mello and they didn't really give a meaningful answer.
stewy_18
28/3/2024
11:23
as rates fall profits will grow quickly.
castleford tiger
28/3/2024
10:54
... hopefully not boring anyone/everyone with too much info/detail

But
....the % return from Conister is not very good imo
£2.2m PAT from lending out £302m in 2023 (UK (£246m) & IoM (£56m) ).

0.8% !!. :-(

While I understand that MFX wanted in 2023 to attract more depositors to fund the rapid growth in lending at PA Ltd & increased lending to other borrowers.....so it had to be done...the group should also think about profitability and risk, imo it is time to make a higher % return from the lending from Conister. <1% is too low imo.

If just increased it to 1.6% from 0.8% it would increase the Conister PAT by £2.2m !

I think that at listed high street bank plcs the nett % margin is ~3%, much higher than 0.8%. Hopefully I am comparing the same thing.

smithie6
28/3/2024
10:30
No trades today. Tells you something.
stewy_18
28/3/2024
09:33
I am being quoted sub 25p for 75,000 so plenty of stock around which surprises me.
tiswas
28/3/2024
08:07
Btw
Well done MFX & PA Ltd.
Impressive results.
They have been busy.

smithie6
28/3/2024
07:00
lennon

i agree but as that trade of 100k is more than all the others added up ( sells or buys) i see no reason for them to mark it lower.
unless they were flushing out some sellers.

strange but one i shall be taking advantage of.

tiger

castleford tiger
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